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		<title>Comment on What Kind Of Year Has It Been? by @CraigABailey76</title>
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		<dc:creator>@CraigABailey76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 21:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So agree with the reaction of fans, it nearly made me not renew, nothing to do with the football! But decided to fight them, they&#039;re more negative, whinny and deluded then I&#039;ve ever known. Great season, support your team, not moan and slate players and management. I&#039;m back in the Barclay next season as Jarrold did my noggin in, any moaners beware, I will have words...and I&#039;ll be right :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So agree with the reaction of fans, it nearly made me not renew, nothing to do with the football! But decided to fight them, they&#8217;re more negative, whinny and deluded then I&#8217;ve ever known. Great season, support your team, not moan and slate players and management. I&#8217;m back in the Barclay next season as Jarrold did my noggin in, any moaners beware, I will have words&#8230;and I&#8217;ll be right <img src='http://www.holtamania.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on What Kind Of Year Has It Been? by MisterMeOggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MisterMeOggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 20:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent comments above, I&#039;m impressed. The perfect antidote to Canary Call Geoff! Only problem is I find myself agreeing with almost all of them!
Overall I&#039;m extremely happy with the job Hughton has done. Yes, a bit of a freak result on the last day may have added gloss to a somewhat workmanlike and uninspiring second half of the season, but the table doesn&#039;t lie. Our position was fully deserved. Let&#039;s not forget this was the manager&#039;s first season at Norwich. People comparing it with the previous campaign are discounting the advantage Lambert had in having two full seasons to build his own team, and breed a winning mentality at a lower level, before tackling one of the toughest leagues in world football. 
I think stability is an increasingly under-valued commodity in football. Hughton has provided it for the club in what could have been a really turbulent time, and no doubt he values the stability he has built upon at City, having experienced the other side of the coin in his previous managerial roles.
One huge negative I will take from this season is the reaction of some of our fans to the bad spells. Its a good job the players and coaching staff didn&#039;t react in the same panicky, petulant fashion, otherwise we would be playing Yeovil next season. Too many &#039;supporters&#039; around me seemed to be fair-weather fans who just weren&#039;t up for the fight when things got tough. Were they watching the same Jonny Howson as me, who has improved week on week lately, and whose goal against West Brom only put the cherry on a fine overall performance? Even our remarkable victory at the richest club in the world couldn&#039;t force them to admit they were wrong to demand the manager&#039;s head. &quot;Man City/West Brom were on the beach&quot;, they said. Or &quot;that is what those players can do if they ignore Hughton&#039;s negative tactics.&quot; Well who signed most of those players? Who coached them into a team capable of beating title winners and Champions League ever-presents? They may not renew for next season because they aren&#039;t being entertained enough? Good. Go to the DW.
Sorry, I&#039;ll stop moaning about the moaners, and celebrate our club&#039;s highest finish for 20 years. Its not sexy or stirring, but I&#039;ll look forward to increased stability, and consistency, next season. And to Rip Van Wolfwhistle in Canary Yellow.
And I&#039;ll continue to support my team, through thick and thin, because that&#039;s what true fans do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comments above, I&#8217;m impressed. The perfect antidote to Canary Call Geoff! Only problem is I find myself agreeing with almost all of them!<br />
Overall I&#8217;m extremely happy with the job Hughton has done. Yes, a bit of a freak result on the last day may have added gloss to a somewhat workmanlike and uninspiring second half of the season, but the table doesn&#8217;t lie. Our position was fully deserved. Let&#8217;s not forget this was the manager&#8217;s first season at Norwich. People comparing it with the previous campaign are discounting the advantage Lambert had in having two full seasons to build his own team, and breed a winning mentality at a lower level, before tackling one of the toughest leagues in world football.<br />
I think stability is an increasingly under-valued commodity in football. Hughton has provided it for the club in what could have been a really turbulent time, and no doubt he values the stability he has built upon at City, having experienced the other side of the coin in his previous managerial roles.<br />
One huge negative I will take from this season is the reaction of some of our fans to the bad spells. Its a good job the players and coaching staff didn&#8217;t react in the same panicky, petulant fashion, otherwise we would be playing Yeovil next season. Too many &#8216;supporters&#8217; around me seemed to be fair-weather fans who just weren&#8217;t up for the fight when things got tough. Were they watching the same Jonny Howson as me, who has improved week on week lately, and whose goal against West Brom only put the cherry on a fine overall performance? Even our remarkable victory at the richest club in the world couldn&#8217;t force them to admit they were wrong to demand the manager&#8217;s head. &#8220;Man City/West Brom were on the beach&#8221;, they said. Or &#8220;that is what those players can do if they ignore Hughton&#8217;s negative tactics.&#8221; Well who signed most of those players? Who coached them into a team capable of beating title winners and Champions League ever-presents? They may not renew for next season because they aren&#8217;t being entertained enough? Good. Go to the DW.<br />
Sorry, I&#8217;ll stop moaning about the moaners, and celebrate our club&#8217;s highest finish for 20 years. Its not sexy or stirring, but I&#8217;ll look forward to increased stability, and consistency, next season. And to Rip Van Wolfwhistle in Canary Yellow.<br />
And I&#8217;ll continue to support my team, through thick and thin, because that&#8217;s what true fans do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Kind Of Year Has It Been? by SteveJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Context is everything. I think there were more exciting games than dull ones, although there were definitely some dull ones. We had thrashings under Lambert too. And we can focus on &#039;lack of tactical nous and late subs&#039; in some games while ignoring the 60th minute introduction of Kamara against Everton that turned a 1-0 loss into a 2-1 win. When people were saying &quot;2 wins in 19&quot; they drew line the line to avoid having to say &quot;5 wins in 22&quot; at that stage. Choose your stats.

Last 20 games:
Norwich - 4 wins
Sunderland - 5 wins
Swansea - 5 wins
Southampton - 5 wins
Newcastle - 6 wins
West Brom - 5 wins
Villa - 6 wins
Fulham - 6 wins
Stoke - 4 wins
West Ham - 6 wins

So if that penalty had gone in against Southampton the story would have been very different. Looking at those figures suggests that this season is likely to be typical if we continue to stay up. What do people expect, top 6 or 7?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Context is everything. I think there were more exciting games than dull ones, although there were definitely some dull ones. We had thrashings under Lambert too. And we can focus on &#8216;lack of tactical nous and late subs&#8217; in some games while ignoring the 60th minute introduction of Kamara against Everton that turned a 1-0 loss into a 2-1 win. When people were saying &#8220;2 wins in 19&#8243; they drew line the line to avoid having to say &#8220;5 wins in 22&#8243; at that stage. Choose your stats.</p>
<p>Last 20 games:<br />
Norwich &#8211; 4 wins<br />
Sunderland &#8211; 5 wins<br />
Swansea &#8211; 5 wins<br />
Southampton &#8211; 5 wins<br />
Newcastle &#8211; 6 wins<br />
West Brom &#8211; 5 wins<br />
Villa &#8211; 6 wins<br />
Fulham &#8211; 6 wins<br />
Stoke &#8211; 4 wins<br />
West Ham &#8211; 6 wins</p>
<p>So if that penalty had gone in against Southampton the story would have been very different. Looking at those figures suggests that this season is likely to be typical if we continue to stay up. What do people expect, top 6 or 7?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Kind Of Year Has It Been? by dswiftgibbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>dswiftgibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 16:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that my overall feeling looking back over the season is one of confliction. A couple of weeks ago I found myself thinking that even if we did stay up, it might be best for Hughton to move on - I didn&#039;t actively want him sacked, but couldn&#039;t see myself being at all upset at the prospect. 

Certainly a lot of the things you point out make it difficult for the fans to really get behind him and the team - especially in the wake of Lambert, things like seemingly refusing to change any tactics mid-game or attempting to make anything other than last minute like-for-like substitutions are very frustrating for passive spectators. We were spoilt in that respect under Lambert, who was always ready to risk everything for 3 points, and having been used to that approach for 3 seasons, the apparent happiness to settle for the draw is a jarring contrast. In particular, games like Reading away, and Southampton and Newcastle at home seemed like they were there for the taking but ended up fizzling out. 

I think for a lot of fans this feels like a lack of ambition on the part of Hughton, but it is also the case that the ambition was just slightly different this year. Every single season under Lambert was played with a certain degree of freedom - we didn&#039;t necessarily expect to go up from League 1 in his first year, especially after our infamous start; we certainly didn&#039;t expect to go straight up again in the Championship; and while we of course hoped to stay in the Premier League last year, we had also prepared for the possibility of having to drop down that first year before planning on getting re-promoted - all part of McNally and Co&#039;s 5 year plan or whatever. So that brief would have afforded Lambert and the squad to play with little pressure, allowed him to roll the dice and go for it in some games knowing that it wouldn&#039;t be the end of the world if it didn&#039;t come off. In this respect, Hughton&#039;s task was wholly different. It was clear, largely due to the financial repercussions, that survival in the Premier League this season was more of a necessity. I can&#039;t help but think that Lambert would have known this - and while Villa are nominally a bigger club, in some respects their expectations for this year were less than ours, and this gave Lambert a similar opportunity of freedom that he may have known he would have lost here had he stayed on. Our requirement to stay up this year generated a lot more pressure, for Hughton, the players and the supporters, which naturally will have affected the players on the pitch at certain times. It also meant that quite often settling for the draw would actually probably be more important in the long run than risking everything. Of course, it&#039;s pretty difficult to rationalise all this when sitting in the rain wondering why the hell we&#039;re playing such a boring game and not making any attempt to change it.

But while the tactics were admittedly often drab, looking back at the results now it does also make you wonder what everyone got so het up about. Last year, at home (where the majority of supporters watch the team) we took 27 points - 7 wins, 6 draws, 6 losses. This year we took 31 - 8 wins, 7 draws, 4 losses, including great wins against Arsenal, United and Everton. For all the moaning, we actually watched Norwich get better results than last year. 

Of course, the quality of the football on show remains important, and few fans would want to go down the road of taking results at all costs above entertainment - but for this particular year, I think that was an acceptable course of action. Next year is a different story. But even then, I wonder what realistic expectations we can have for the club. Would it be good enough to take 11th again, if we play some nicer football? I personally would like a really solid run at a cup for once. I wouldn&#039;t have swapped our season for Wigan&#039;s this year; but I&#039;d take 17th and an FA Cup next year?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that my overall feeling looking back over the season is one of confliction. A couple of weeks ago I found myself thinking that even if we did stay up, it might be best for Hughton to move on &#8211; I didn&#8217;t actively want him sacked, but couldn&#8217;t see myself being at all upset at the prospect. </p>
<p>Certainly a lot of the things you point out make it difficult for the fans to really get behind him and the team &#8211; especially in the wake of Lambert, things like seemingly refusing to change any tactics mid-game or attempting to make anything other than last minute like-for-like substitutions are very frustrating for passive spectators. We were spoilt in that respect under Lambert, who was always ready to risk everything for 3 points, and having been used to that approach for 3 seasons, the apparent happiness to settle for the draw is a jarring contrast. In particular, games like Reading away, and Southampton and Newcastle at home seemed like they were there for the taking but ended up fizzling out. </p>
<p>I think for a lot of fans this feels like a lack of ambition on the part of Hughton, but it is also the case that the ambition was just slightly different this year. Every single season under Lambert was played with a certain degree of freedom &#8211; we didn&#8217;t necessarily expect to go up from League 1 in his first year, especially after our infamous start; we certainly didn&#8217;t expect to go straight up again in the Championship; and while we of course hoped to stay in the Premier League last year, we had also prepared for the possibility of having to drop down that first year before planning on getting re-promoted &#8211; all part of McNally and Co&#8217;s 5 year plan or whatever. So that brief would have afforded Lambert and the squad to play with little pressure, allowed him to roll the dice and go for it in some games knowing that it wouldn&#8217;t be the end of the world if it didn&#8217;t come off. In this respect, Hughton&#8217;s task was wholly different. It was clear, largely due to the financial repercussions, that survival in the Premier League this season was more of a necessity. I can&#8217;t help but think that Lambert would have known this &#8211; and while Villa are nominally a bigger club, in some respects their expectations for this year were less than ours, and this gave Lambert a similar opportunity of freedom that he may have known he would have lost here had he stayed on. Our requirement to stay up this year generated a lot more pressure, for Hughton, the players and the supporters, which naturally will have affected the players on the pitch at certain times. It also meant that quite often settling for the draw would actually probably be more important in the long run than risking everything. Of course, it&#8217;s pretty difficult to rationalise all this when sitting in the rain wondering why the hell we&#8217;re playing such a boring game and not making any attempt to change it.</p>
<p>But while the tactics were admittedly often drab, looking back at the results now it does also make you wonder what everyone got so het up about. Last year, at home (where the majority of supporters watch the team) we took 27 points &#8211; 7 wins, 6 draws, 6 losses. This year we took 31 &#8211; 8 wins, 7 draws, 4 losses, including great wins against Arsenal, United and Everton. For all the moaning, we actually watched Norwich get better results than last year. </p>
<p>Of course, the quality of the football on show remains important, and few fans would want to go down the road of taking results at all costs above entertainment &#8211; but for this particular year, I think that was an acceptable course of action. Next year is a different story. But even then, I wonder what realistic expectations we can have for the club. Would it be good enough to take 11th again, if we play some nicer football? I personally would like a really solid run at a cup for once. I wouldn&#8217;t have swapped our season for Wigan&#8217;s this year; but I&#8217;d take 17th and an FA Cup next year?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Kind Of Year Has It Been? by stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 07:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing I worry about is Hughton&#039;s apparent lack of faith in his other players. It seemed to be the same 13-14 players playing every single game, with no real rotation if they were poor. It must destroy a player&#039;s self-belief to sit on the bench and watch another 2-0 defeat or 0-0 draw and not get the nod. Even then, subs tended to only be on 5-6 minutes. Perhaps they were poor in training, but then why shouldn&#039;t they be knowing they were never going to get a chance? Not sure if this is a blind faith in the tactics and inability to change or lack of man-management. Tierney, Fox, Jackson, Becchio all woefully underused.

But like, the others have said, still a positive season overall, if a bit dull and predictable at times. Looking forward to getting my hands on a new kit!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I worry about is Hughton&#8217;s apparent lack of faith in his other players. It seemed to be the same 13-14 players playing every single game, with no real rotation if they were poor. It must destroy a player&#8217;s self-belief to sit on the bench and watch another 2-0 defeat or 0-0 draw and not get the nod. Even then, subs tended to only be on 5-6 minutes. Perhaps they were poor in training, but then why shouldn&#8217;t they be knowing they were never going to get a chance? Not sure if this is a blind faith in the tactics and inability to change or lack of man-management. Tierney, Fox, Jackson, Becchio all woefully underused.</p>
<p>But like, the others have said, still a positive season overall, if a bit dull and predictable at times. Looking forward to getting my hands on a new kit!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Kind Of Year Has It Been? by Andy Pearmain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Pearmain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 22:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh come on chappy, a bit of context might help. This was the season of the football of fear, when half the bloody Premier League were more bothered about not going down, and missing out on the obscene amounts in the new TV deal, than offering  up any vaguely entertaining football to us the studio audience. It truly was an absolute grind for much of the time. I decided at the Newcastle game, when I actually nodded off (old age setting in...) at 60 minutes, not to renew my season ticket. And wasn&#039;t there one of those games when neither side had a shot on target? Or did it just seem that way?
 
It was partly about value for money - I had to miss several games for work, which meant my fantastic City Stand seat was costing me over £60 a game, and too often it simply wasn&#039;t worth it when set against a gig or a show. My missus got thoroughly fed up with me coming home grumpy and cheated. As did I; for months I felt on edge or deflated, and generally dreaded the next game, unless I could somehow convince myself I really wasn&#039;t bothered. And I was supposed to be enjoying this! 

But then in amongst the dross, there were some real high points. The performance against Man U was the most disciplined and concentrated team display I have ever seen; and as a long-ago Leeds fan it didn&#039;t half cheer me up to see the buggers humbled. Even some of the draws were actually very good games, against the better lower teams - Southampton and Swansea for example. And the Everton game was a cracker - two good honest clubs playing bright intelligent football, with a match-winning substitution.

Certainly when set against the previous three seasons it was a big let-down. Hughton had been given the brief to stay up at all costs, probably a sensible one, and he chose to do that by tightly organised and cautious defense. In the end it did the trick, with the lovely flourish at the end when they felt able to relax a bit. I have a feeling that Lambert had run out of steam at Norwich, and that the players might have begun to see through his &#039;charisma&#039;. He&#039;s hardly done great things at Villa and without Benteke they would have gone down. Lambert looks to have aged 5 years in one season, and I&#039;m not sure he&#039;s capable of sustaining the intensity his approach seems to require. Villa, with their ridiculous expectations and really nasty fans, always was a strange career move. With the other &#039;big&#039; jobs filling up quickly (and does anyone else suspect he went to Villa because he was pissed off at missing Liverpool?), they may just be stuck with each other.

As for Norwich, reasons to be cheerful? Plenty really; the signs of a more adventurous approach building on the defensive solidity. Good young players - the Bennetts, the great (and still strangely underrated by NC fans) Jonny Howson, the other Leeds old boys, including my player of the season Snoddy, Pilkington - all coming of age as footballers at the same time. Holt and Hoolahan still have plenty to offer. And Ricky van Wolfswinkel - very highly thought of in Holland, where I was recently. Someone I spoke to in Utrecht where he&#039;s from reckons the Premier League will speed and sharpen him up in just the way he needs, that a &#039;small town club&#039; like Norwich is a great choice for him, and that we may well have another RVP on our hands. Other signings will follow - I still think Hooper may come, and there&#039;s plenty of bargains to be had in Europe.

I&#039;m relieved I can pick and choose my games next season, but I suspect it&#039;ll be a more settled and consistently enjoyable one. The promoted teams really will struggle, and some more of the &#039;Premier League wallpaper&#039; (Sunderland, Newcastle, Fulham) will continue to go stale. And can we please, somehow, get rid of Stoke for crimes against football?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on chappy, a bit of context might help. This was the season of the football of fear, when half the bloody Premier League were more bothered about not going down, and missing out on the obscene amounts in the new TV deal, than offering  up any vaguely entertaining football to us the studio audience. It truly was an absolute grind for much of the time. I decided at the Newcastle game, when I actually nodded off (old age setting in&#8230;) at 60 minutes, not to renew my season ticket. And wasn&#8217;t there one of those games when neither side had a shot on target? Or did it just seem that way?</p>
<p>It was partly about value for money &#8211; I had to miss several games for work, which meant my fantastic City Stand seat was costing me over £60 a game, and too often it simply wasn&#8217;t worth it when set against a gig or a show. My missus got thoroughly fed up with me coming home grumpy and cheated. As did I; for months I felt on edge or deflated, and generally dreaded the next game, unless I could somehow convince myself I really wasn&#8217;t bothered. And I was supposed to be enjoying this! </p>
<p>But then in amongst the dross, there were some real high points. The performance against Man U was the most disciplined and concentrated team display I have ever seen; and as a long-ago Leeds fan it didn&#8217;t half cheer me up to see the buggers humbled. Even some of the draws were actually very good games, against the better lower teams &#8211; Southampton and Swansea for example. And the Everton game was a cracker &#8211; two good honest clubs playing bright intelligent football, with a match-winning substitution.</p>
<p>Certainly when set against the previous three seasons it was a big let-down. Hughton had been given the brief to stay up at all costs, probably a sensible one, and he chose to do that by tightly organised and cautious defense. In the end it did the trick, with the lovely flourish at the end when they felt able to relax a bit. I have a feeling that Lambert had run out of steam at Norwich, and that the players might have begun to see through his &#8216;charisma&#8217;. He&#8217;s hardly done great things at Villa and without Benteke they would have gone down. Lambert looks to have aged 5 years in one season, and I&#8217;m not sure he&#8217;s capable of sustaining the intensity his approach seems to require. Villa, with their ridiculous expectations and really nasty fans, always was a strange career move. With the other &#8216;big&#8217; jobs filling up quickly (and does anyone else suspect he went to Villa because he was pissed off at missing Liverpool?), they may just be stuck with each other.</p>
<p>As for Norwich, reasons to be cheerful? Plenty really; the signs of a more adventurous approach building on the defensive solidity. Good young players &#8211; the Bennetts, the great (and still strangely underrated by NC fans) Jonny Howson, the other Leeds old boys, including my player of the season Snoddy, Pilkington &#8211; all coming of age as footballers at the same time. Holt and Hoolahan still have plenty to offer. And Ricky van Wolfswinkel &#8211; very highly thought of in Holland, where I was recently. Someone I spoke to in Utrecht where he&#8217;s from reckons the Premier League will speed and sharpen him up in just the way he needs, that a &#8216;small town club&#8217; like Norwich is a great choice for him, and that we may well have another RVP on our hands. Other signings will follow &#8211; I still think Hooper may come, and there&#8217;s plenty of bargains to be had in Europe.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m relieved I can pick and choose my games next season, but I suspect it&#8217;ll be a more settled and consistently enjoyable one. The promoted teams really will struggle, and some more of the &#8216;Premier League wallpaper&#8217; (Sunderland, Newcastle, Fulham) will continue to go stale. And can we please, somehow, get rid of Stoke for crimes against football?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Kind Of Year Has It Been? by Craig Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 22:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with some of this, but I never felt we&#039;d go down and I don&#039;t agree that points necessarily equate in a black and white sense to the bottom of the league being worse.  I think Hughton&#039;s achievement is greater than Lambert&#039;s, taking over a successful team in any walk of life is incredibly difficult, on balance and with a sense of perspective, I&#039;d suggest that our finishing place is as good as things will ever realistically be for a club of our size, certainly within 3 places or so.

Sure we had a bad run, but we always will.  I think a lot of Norwich fans need a severe reality check. We&#039;re a lower Premier, upper championship side, sure we may over achieve briefly, but it&#039;s not sustainable, that simple.

I don&#039;t accept the view we &#039;relied&#039; on other teams, that&#039;s just football, any sport in fact! Nobody said we relied on Arsenal to qualify for Europe, but we did with that thinking, it&#039;s just how you think about it. There was this constant belief that all other teams would start winning all their games. If anything that great run probably made the players and fans a little over-confident, I tweeted after the Arsenal game saying I didn&#039;t think we&#039;d win for ten given the fixtures, not in a negative sense, but a realistic one, it took us longer to get over that than I&#039;d hoped but I always felt confident we would.

I also think some fans played their part in that run. The atmosphere in the ground was woeful and vastly more negative than the football, the boo boys lost Moro so picked on Howson, I fail to see what this achieves I just don&#039;t understand, it only harms the team you claim to support.

It&#039;s not for me positivity breeds positivity, I have no time for moaners, seriously it&#039;s a miracle some of these people can get dressed in the mornings, maybe they had help, and I for one think Hughton has done brilliantly and that we are a much, much better team than under Lambert.  Is it as exciting, no, do I care, No. Although I&#039;ll tell you this, I was pretty excited against Arsenal, Man Utd, Reading, Spurs, Villa (despite losing) Man City. I won&#039;t defend games like Fulham and Newcastle that cried out for a more attacking approach or the late subs, but on the whole, looking at the entire season brilliant, truly brilliant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of this, but I never felt we&#8217;d go down and I don&#8217;t agree that points necessarily equate in a black and white sense to the bottom of the league being worse.  I think Hughton&#8217;s achievement is greater than Lambert&#8217;s, taking over a successful team in any walk of life is incredibly difficult, on balance and with a sense of perspective, I&#8217;d suggest that our finishing place is as good as things will ever realistically be for a club of our size, certainly within 3 places or so.</p>
<p>Sure we had a bad run, but we always will.  I think a lot of Norwich fans need a severe reality check. We&#8217;re a lower Premier, upper championship side, sure we may over achieve briefly, but it&#8217;s not sustainable, that simple.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t accept the view we &#8216;relied&#8217; on other teams, that&#8217;s just football, any sport in fact! Nobody said we relied on Arsenal to qualify for Europe, but we did with that thinking, it&#8217;s just how you think about it. There was this constant belief that all other teams would start winning all their games. If anything that great run probably made the players and fans a little over-confident, I tweeted after the Arsenal game saying I didn&#8217;t think we&#8217;d win for ten given the fixtures, not in a negative sense, but a realistic one, it took us longer to get over that than I&#8217;d hoped but I always felt confident we would.</p>
<p>I also think some fans played their part in that run. The atmosphere in the ground was woeful and vastly more negative than the football, the boo boys lost Moro so picked on Howson, I fail to see what this achieves I just don&#8217;t understand, it only harms the team you claim to support.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not for me positivity breeds positivity, I have no time for moaners, seriously it&#8217;s a miracle some of these people can get dressed in the mornings, maybe they had help, and I for one think Hughton has done brilliantly and that we are a much, much better team than under Lambert.  Is it as exciting, no, do I care, No. Although I&#8217;ll tell you this, I was pretty excited against Arsenal, Man Utd, Reading, Spurs, Villa (despite losing) Man City. I won&#8217;t defend games like Fulham and Newcastle that cried out for a more attacking approach or the late subs, but on the whole, looking at the entire season brilliant, truly brilliant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Kind Of Year Has It Been? by Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 22:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good summary. I think some fans need to learn to look at the bigger picture. 11th is a remarkable achievement on our budget. It&#039;s funny how Martinez gets all the praise he does and they finished 18th with a bigger budget. Don&#039;t forget where we came from, look what happened to Charlton when they got fed up of curbishley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good summary. I think some fans need to learn to look at the bigger picture. 11th is a remarkable achievement on our budget. It&#8217;s funny how Martinez gets all the praise he does and they finished 18th with a bigger budget. Don&#8217;t forget where we came from, look what happened to Charlton when they got fed up of curbishley.</p>
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